Grub & Grace

Grub & Grace

por Mark Flower
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BSE: The Story of Capitalism Begins
Once upon a time, the world was enchanted. But as science, technology, and capitalism come to embrace the entire globe, the enchanted specters of other peoples will be duly banished or sequestered as well. Let's go back to when this all started. Enchantments of Mammon: Episode 3.
BSE: Confronting Systems of Alienation and Exploitation
As we continue into part 2 of our Enchantments of Mammon series, we dig further into Jesus' parables as well as venture into Marxian philosophy. Continue along with us as we ask how capitalism exploits us and what a better path forward looks like.
BSE: Biblical Anti-Imperialism
If you've ever read the Bible you would quickly realize that there are plenty of stories in which systems are portrayed with the “have’s” and “have nots,” where some have autonomy while others don’t, and where laborers are exploited and stolen from due to a narcissistic greed to accumulate more at the expense of others. Think the Egyptians and Israelites, or perhaps Jesus's parables like that of the Talents (Matthew 25). Let's see what the Bible can illuminate when it comes to resisting empire.
The Torch & the Pail: Talents and Capitalism w Rev Jerry Butler & Rev Andrew Bridgeman
When you think of Jesus' parable of the talents in Matthew 25, what comes to mind? A story about multiplying your God-given fruits, or perhaps punishing those who are lazy? What about passive protest by not engaging in an exploitative system? I sit down with Jerry Butler and Andrew Bridgeman to discuss this very parable and dig deep as we also breach the topic of capitalism. Jerry Butler holds degrees from LeTourneau University (B.A., M.B.A.) and Perkins School of Theology at SMU (M.Div., summa cum laude). For the past 15 years, he has served United Methodist congregations as educator and pastor, with research interests in Early Church history, St. Augustine, Koine Greek, and Eastern Orthodox Christianity. He is currently the Pastor of Education and Formation at St. Andrew UMC, but by the time this episode releases he will be positioned in Montana. Andrew Bridgeman is an elder in Full Connection serving as the developer of Mountain Sky Trekking and Co-Pastor of the Roaring Fork Church. He is also an avid outdoorsman, theologian, coffee lover, and ecospiritual writer. He is involved with Yarrow Trail Co. where he embraces nature, community, and the sacred. Attributions: ON8FDNIHEAKJ8GXS
On Fire For God: Fear, Shame, Poverty, and the Making of the Christian Right w Josiah Hesse
What happens when poverty, desperation, and fundamentalist religion become deeply intertwined? How do entire communities get shaped by fear, shame, and the promise that faithfulness will eventually be rewarded? Today we sit down with Josiah Hesse to discuss his deeply personal book, On Fire For God, and the realities of growing up poor in rural Iowa during a time when economic collapse and religious extremism were feeding off one another. We talk about the rise of the Christian Right through the lens of lived experience: prosperity gospel theology, generational dysfunction, purity culture, fear-based religion, and the ways vulnerable people are often told their suffering is either holy or deserved. Growing up in a world where brokenness becomes normalized, where shame functions as social currency, and where faith was both a lifeline and a weapon can be damaging to anyone caught in the system's crosshairs. This conversation explores the emotional cost of survival in high-control religious environments, the political machinery that profits from desperation, and what it means to revisit painful memories in pursuit of honesty and healing. Josiah Hesse is a journalist based here in Colorado, writing about exvangelical issues for quite a while now. He is the author of Runner’s High and is a regular contributor to The Guardian and Vice. His latest book On Fire For God can be found wherever books are found. josiahhesse.com IG: @jojodancer3000 Attributions: ON8FDNIHEAKJ8GXS
Christians For A Free Palestine w Rev. Naomi Washington-Leapheart
This episode throws the “keep it light” rule directly into the fire and tackles some of the most contested conversations of our time: Palestine, Zionism, colonialism, empire, nationalism, and white supremacy. We explore how systems of power frame justice as controversial while presenting domination, occupation, and violence as unfortunate but “complicated” realities. Along the way, we examine how history is sanitized, narratives are controlled, and dissent is often treated as more dangerous than the harm being protested. At its core, this conversation is about questioning the stories we inherit and asking who benefits from them remaining unchallenged. From imperialism and propaganda to selective memory and political rhetoric, we unpack how modern systems maintain power through fear, confusion, and historical erasure. If you’ve ever felt like the official narrative leaves out crucial pieces of the story, this episode is for you. Rev. Naomi Washington-Leapheart, a daughter of Detroit, is a Black queer preacher, teacher, movement strategist, and justice advocate. She is an adjunct professor of theology and religious studies at Villanova University and also serves as the first-ever Strategic Partnerships Director at Political Research Associates (PRA), a social justice research and strategy center that provides strategic insights and actionable research that identifies, disrupts, and competes with movements and institutions that undermine democracy, justice, and human rights. In 2021, Rev. Naomi founded Salt | Yeast | Light, an organization that develops spaces of spiritual education, disruption, reflection, transformation, and public action. Naomi serves as the Board Chair of Pride in the Pews, and also a member of the board of SIECUS. Additionally, she serves on the Faith Advisory Council of Americans United for Separation of Church & State and volunteers her time with Christians for a Free Palestine. You can find her on Instagram @oholyshift as well as on Threads If folks want to book her, they can email: hellorevnaomi@gmail.com Attributions: ON8FDNIHEAKJ8GXS
The Fallacies of Christian Zionism w Elli Reynolds
What happens when nationalism, empire, and religion become so deeply intertwined that violence begins to look holy? In this episode, we examine the relationship between anti-imperialism, immigration enforcement, colonial power structures, and the political machinery that sustains them. From conversations surrounding ICE and state violence to the global consequences of militarized nationalism, we explore how fear and power are often packaged as morality, security, or even divine obligation. A major focus of this discussion is the ideology of Christian Zionism and the ways it has been weaponized to support imperialism, colonial expansion, and endless political conflict while simultaneously reinforcing harmful antisemitic narratives beneath the surface. Together, we unpack how theology can be manipulated into a political tool, why criticism of empire is often reframed as disloyalty or heresy, and how systems of domination rely on religious certainty to justify oppression. This episode challenges simplistic narratives and asks difficult questions about faith, power, nationalism, and what solidarity looks like in a world shaped by occupation, fear, and control. Elli Reynolds is an aspiring journalist, documenting power, protest, & occupation. You can find them on Instagram @elli_documents or on TikTok @elli_documents. Attributions: ON8FDNIHEAKJ8GXS
Eucontamination: Disgust Theology and the Christian Life w Billie & Paul Hoard
Why do humans recoil so strongly from things we perceive as “unclean,” immoral, or socially contaminating — even when those reactions make absolutely no logical sense? In this episode, we dive into the psychology of disgust, moral contamination, and the invisible boundaries humans obsessively create between pure and impure, acceptable and unacceptable, “us” and “them.” From religion and purity culture to gender norms and social stigma, we explore how fear and shame are often used to police behavior and maintain control. But disgust isn’t always destructive. Sometimes the very things that unsettle us force us to confront deeper truths about identity, morality, vulnerability, and what it means to be human. This conversation examines why people cling so tightly to moral superiority, how cultures weaponize disgust to create outsiders, and whether the things that make us uncomfortable might also be the things capable of transforming us. Billie Hoard is a trans woman, a high school history teacher, an author, and something of an Anabaptist radical. A consummate generalist, she holds an MA in liberal arts from St. John’s College in Annapolis, Maryland, and she writes on topics ranging from fairy tales and C. S. Lewis to theology and philosophy. She and her brother, Paul Hoard, are the authors of Eucontamination: Disgust Theology and the Christian Life. billieiswriting.substack.com Paul Hoard, PhD, LMHC, is a licensed counselor, psychoanalytic psychotherapist, and associate professor of counseling psychology at The Seattle School of Theology and Psychology, as well as a board member for the Center for Christianity and Psychoanalysis. His scholarship focuses on Lacanian psychoanalytic theory, sexuality, white-body supremacy, perpetration-induced traumatic stress, and the theological logic of disgust. He has spoken and published internationally on topics including purity culture, trauma, eucontamination, and the intersections of theology and psychoanalysis. In addition to his academic and clinical work, Dr. Hoard is a co-founder and Chief Strategy Officer of Praxplay, an AI-powered training platform designed to help counseling students develop clinical skill through simulated client interactions. He is the co-author, with his sister Billie Hoard, of the book Eucontamination: Disgust Theology and the Christian Life. https://paulhoard.substack.com/ ; Praxplay startup for counselor training; Center for Christianity and Psychoanalysis Attributions: ON8FDNIHEAKJ8GXS
Your Matter Matters w Will Rose
In a world flooded with information, distractions, and algorithm-driven certainty, how do we genuinely pursue truth without getting lost in the noise? This episode explores the interconnectedness of science, faith, ethics, technology, history, and spirituality, challenging the idea that these worlds must exist in opposition to one another. Instead of settling for simplistic binaries, we lean into curiosity, nuance, and the uncomfortable reality that truth is often far more complex than we’d like it to be. Can faith and science coexist, or have we been conditioned to see them as enemies? From questions about meaning and morality to the ways identity shapes our understanding of reality, this conversation examines why humans cling so tightly to certainty in an increasingly fragmented world. Think of it like an endless debate between Star Wars and Star Trek fans—except the stakes are existential, and nobody gets a lightsaber. We are joined today by pastor Will Rose; a Lutheran pastor, Theology Beer Camp enthusiast, and one of the hosts of Systematic Geekology and Across the Bifrost, the Mighty Thor Podcast. He is a co-host on the new podcast limited series Your Matter Matters with Thomas Johnston. You can also find him on Instagram @willnrose. Attributions: ON8FDNIHEAKJ8GXS
Cultural Gaslighting of American Mothers w Sandra Maurer
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Motherhood in America is often sold as a beautiful, fulfilling dream wrapped in matching family photos and inspirational coffee mugs. The reality, however, tends to involve exhaustion, impossible expectations, political whiplash, and a society that insists everything is “fine” while mothers quietly drown beneath the weight of it all. In this episode of the G&G Podcast, we unpack the cultural gaslighting surrounding American motherhood — the constant messaging that women should feel grateful, fulfilled, and supported despite systems that often leave them isolated, overworked, and blamed for struggling. From reproductive healthcare and bodily autonomy to economic instability, immigrant family fears, childcare costs, and the emotional labor mothers are expected to absorb without complaint, this conversation examines the widening gap between public narratives and lived reality. Why are mothers expected to function as emotional shock absorbers for society while receiving so little structural support in return? And what does that disconnect do to a person psychologically over time? Joining the conversation is Sandra Maurer, a licensed professional clinical counselor and reproductive mental health specialist from Minnesota, who helps explore the mental and emotional toll these contradictions create. Together, we discuss chronic stress, anxiety, societal conditioning, maternal identity, and the impossible balancing act many women are pressured to perform every day. If you’ve ever felt like the messaging around motherhood sounds suspiciously different from what mothers are actually experiencing, this episode is for you. Because sometimes the most destabilizing part of dysfunction is being told you’re overreacting to it. American Mother-load is Sandra Maurer's future book that she is hoping to get out later in 2026. IG: @mn_therapist TT: @mn_therapist Attributions: ON8FDNIHEAKJ8GXS
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