How do you know when to push your children, and when it’s time to step back and let them choose their own path?

In this episode, Jonathan Forstall sits down with his father, Chip Forstall, for a candid conversation about parenting, independence, and the difficult balance between guiding your children and allowing them to make their own decisions. They share personal stories about career choices, nearly quitting gymnastics, learning from mistakes, and why happiness doesn’t always look the way a parent imagined it would.

The conversation becomes especially personal as Chip reflects on never giving up on his son through a 20-year struggle with addiction and the relationship they have rebuilt today. Ultimately, Jonathan and Chip come back to a simple lesson: show up, listen, guide when you can, and continue being there, even when your chi ...