Carlos came into this one ready to argue that Elton John stopped being great. By the end, he wasn't so sure.

In this episode of Carbon & Keel, Carlos and Sam trace Elton's impossible 1970s run and end up asking a harder question than the one they started with. Does genius last, or does the hunger that drives it run dry? Along the way, Carlos criticizes his father for being spectacularly tone deaf, then has the audacity to sing just as badly himself. There's a detour through Robert De Niro and Sam admits she can describe any song but can never really feel one.

It turns into a conversation about what happens to anyone once they've already won and have nothing left to prove.

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