Suzie McInerney is the CEO of Six Degrees Executive, leading a team of 90 across three states in one of Australia's most human-centred recruitment firms.

She took the scenic route to CEO. From toy brand manager to running a hatted restaurant, to first employee CEO stepping into a founder-led business at Six Degrees Executive.

Then COVID hit 12 months in. Then breast cancer. And through it all, the same lesson kept showing up, pretending to be fine doesn't make you strong.

We go deep on psychological safety, on the cost of martyring yourself, on what it means to let off steam before the cracks become craters, and on why the work that feels unproductive, conversations, relationships and knowing your people, is often the work that truly matters.

This is a conversation for any leader who's ever been scared shitless but put the ...