Mark Riley has spent a career where few would know his name, but his fingerprints are everywhere.

Assistant coach across the Fremantle, Melbourne, Carlton and Gold Coast Football Clubs. Nine games as Melbourne's caretaker senior coach. 450 AFL games in the box.

But the real story starts in a shearing shed in Hyden and ends up at the Clontarf Foundation — 12,500 Indigenous boys, 170 sites, generational change.

Two mentors shaped him: Gerard Neesham, the radical who taught him football could be art, and Neale Daniher, who taught him leadership is about others, not yourself.

We go deep on knowing your people, unlocking performance rather than extracting it, and why the best question any leader can ask is simply — are you thinking about what you're doing?

This is a conversation for anyone who understands that the size of ...