Casey and Jon continue their conversation about the early days of designing and programming Braid. We talk about scrapped gameplay ideas, technical challenges, and artistic inspirations, including the 1986 text adventure game "Trinity."

Host: Jonathan Blow

Guest: Casey Muratori

Producer: Jason Brisson

Editor: Will Torbett

Intro Song: "Downstream" by Shira Kammen (based on "O son do ar" by Bieito Romero and "Borrela d'Aragon" by Eric Montbel)