Please note: The audio in this episode is low quality on the guest's mic, but we did not want it to keep us from sharing an insightful and fun convo. Hopefully you are still able to get something from it <3

Carly is joined by fellow Texan Jerry X Zeng to talk about his journey as a male influencer who aspires to use his platform to embrace vulnerability and creativity in the age of toxic masculinity. The two talk about insecurities, dealing with online haters, and debate the question are Short King and Baby Girl insults?

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