A discussion on the state of science fiction on television, exploring why the genre seems to have shifted away from traditional scripted programming in favor of reality TV. The hosts evaluate J.J. Abrams' influence on the Star Trek and Star Wars franchises, considering the risks and rewards of rebooting established properties. They reflect on cult favorites and cancelled sci-fi series from the 90s and 2000s, including Babylon 5, Farscape, Andromeda, Firefly, and Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. The conversation also touches on the impact of Doctor Who and The Big Bang Theory on the current cultural visibility of geek-centric media.