In this episode of Tech Talks Daily, I speak with John Nay, founder and CEO of Norm Ai, about Agentic Law, AI native legal services, outcome based pricing, and the proposed legal framework for companies managed by AI agents.

John has worked on the application of AI to law and public policy for around 14 years. His research predates the current generative AI era and includes GovDeVec, an early attempt to train neural networks on legal and government text so they could identify concepts embedded across large bodies of policy information.

The arrival of frontier language models opened a different category of legal automation. Deterministic systems can complete forms and apply fixed rules, but language models can also examine precedent and guidance before applying it to a new situation.

John separates this work into three layers. Th ...