Catherine's mom Stephanie joins Catherine and Greg as they talk to long-time friends of the Spader family, Pat & Carol Kaiser. Pat, a retired Wisconsin DNR wildlife biologist shares an overview of his career before Stephanie and Carol join in. Catherine, Stephanie, Pat, & Carol share stories of how their friendship began and how it has grown through the years. Catherine provides an update on her "homework assignment" of reading Aldo Leopold's A Sand County Almanac.