In this episode, we open up about the emotional labor of being therapists during moments of collective trauma — like the pandemic — and the challenge of holding space for others while navigating our own grief, fear, and fatigue. We talk about what it means to be both healer and human in a world where societal decisions directly impact our clients and ourselves.

We also reflect on how we care for ourselves (or try to), and share a moment of love and laughter when Morgan and Nelly gifted Maya their favorite water bottle — because hydration is a form of care, too.