In this episode of This Is Real, I sit down with Pastor Ricky Baker for an honest conversation about false assurance, the distinction between religion and relationship, and the challenging question of whether we truly know Jesus. Ricky shares his story of growing up in ministry, preaching, witnessing miracles, and later realizing that serving God is not the same as intimacy with Him. It’s a conversation the Church often avoids, but one that could change lives. If you’ve ever asked, “If I died today, would I really meet Jesus?” This episode is for you.

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