Ned and Paul are joined by Gayle Wald, an accomplished writer, professor at George Washington University and author of "This is Rhythm," a new biography of the late Ella Jenkins – often referred to as "the First Lady of children's music." Although a six-year-old Paul was fortunate enough to see Ella live and Ned became a fan in England when he became a father, their shared appreciation of the Chicago legend's music grew exponentially after devouring Gayle's book – and gaining sharper insight into Ella's life, music, business-sense and ability to foster connection through generations in this illuminating chat with her biographer.

Learn more about Gayle and add "This is Rhythm" to your library here: https://www.gaylewald.com/