Immigration has become one of the hardest conversations New Zealand is having, and too often it gets reduced to slogans. This week Bernadette sits down with Dharmesh Parikh, a community leader and businessman who arrived from India in 1986, for an honest exchange between two immigrants who love this country and do not always agree on what it needs, covering population growth in Auckland, what integration asks of new arrivals, student visa numbers and hiring bias. Have a listen, disagreements and all.