Leadership is not about waiting for permission. Dr. Calvin E. Moore, Jr. sits down with Dr. Keon Berry and Tatjyana Elmore — two emerging leaders with non-traditional journeys into early childhood education — for an honest conversation about what it takes to lead before the field is ready to hand you the keys. From running from leadership to becoming president of a 45-year-old nonprofit, their stories are a generational handoff that shows what the next chapter of ECE leadership already looks like. Subscribe and never miss an episode.