Scott and Brian catch up between guests and talk about the very serious problems facing the child care industry. They delve into the recent 4 Corners investigation and discuss whether these problems are connected to the financial pressures we face in today's world, or if it's just a matter of convenience, or both.

They also chat about some lighter topics such as the recent discovery of messages in a bottle from WWI soldiers heading to France, the upcoming test cricket Ashes series, and a family send-off with a difference.

WARNING: This episode contains topics that some people might find disturbing including child sexual abuse.

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