Today guest dropped me a message on Linkedin, that lead to a phone call and that lead to a podcast chat. He has a really interesting outlook on safety. A Philosophical view ot be specific and we got talking about Safety 1 and Safety 2 and he had some very valid and strong opinions, and that’s perfect for rebranding safety. With Degrees in psychology and Philosophy, and a background in the fire service the director of ouch Training brings an interesting perspective to end our Safety 1 and Safety 2 mini-series.