New Mexico spends more on education per pupil than most other states, but ranks near the bottom on student outcomes for math and reading proficiency. Why is that, and what can be done? The answers may surprise.

Donovan and Gary talk with Fred Nathan, Jr., the founder and Executive Director of Think New Mexico, which has has been instrumental in reforming state government: successfully pushing to implement all day kindergarten, remove the sales tax on groceries, end predatory lending and most recently pushing legislation to address the acute shortage of doctors and other health care providers in our state.

Fred talks about additional steps needed to bring more psychologists, EMTS, and PTs to practice here. But his ana ...