In this episode of Fight For Our Existence, I sit down with Ruben Leyva from Las Cruces, New Mexico, an Apache historian from the Chihéne Ndé, also known as the Gila Apache, a band of the Chiricahua Apache.

We met at Apache Gold Casino while he was attending a conference for San Carlos Apache College, and what started as a simple conversation turned into something much deeper. This episode is not a lecture or presentation, but a real discussion about history, identity, and the stories that continue to live through our people.

Ruben shares how he began researching his family history and the work he’s doing to preserve the stories of his people. We talk about the commonly told narrative of the Chiricahua Apache and how not all Apaches were sent east in 1886, as well as the role of Apache scouts and the misunderstandings surrounding them ...