In this episode of Ecosystem, Scale!, Aaron is joined by Mike Green and Johnathan Holifield for a timely conversation on economic development, innovation, and equity.

They unpack the history and limits of “big game” economic development—strategies that prioritize national competitiveness and large-scale growth—while confronting a persistent reality: many communities, particularly Black America, remain disconnected from the modern innovation economy.

Introducing the framework of inclusive competitiveness, Mike and Johnathan challenge how success is defined and measured, and offer new ways to think about ecosystem design, connectivity, and long-term impact.

This episode is essential listening for ecosystem builders, economic developers, founders, and policymakers working to build innovation systems that a ...