When the safety nets fall apart, who do we lean on?
In this raw conversation, Justin and Kellie wrestle with the weight of abandonment, the illusion of help, and the fire of self-determination. From grief to grit, this episode explores what it really means to build community when the cavalry isn’t coming.

✨ Theme: Abandonment, Rage, Self-Determination
✨ Tone: Defiant, grieving, sharp-edged clarity

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