How many books are in the Bible? Depends on who you ask. Jack and Emily explore what it means to take scripture seriously — from the ancient heresy of picking and choosing (looking at you, Marcion and Thomas Jefferson) to the four senses of reading scripture, why Genesis starts with two different creation stories, and what to do when Jesus says things like "gouge out your eye." Along the way: what Episcopalians actually promise about the Bible, why "literal" is the wrong question, and why the parts that make you wince might be exactly where the gospel is working on you.

Intro and outro music: "Fiddle String" by Francie Roy Williams, courtesy of Epidemic Sound.