Stephen Rodes Chen is a songwriter and saxophonist based in New York City.

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(00:00) Moving to New York

(01:54) Discovering the saxophone

(06:52) Music and identity

(08:57) Choosing Yale over conservatory

(11:06) The strange history of the saxophone

(15:28) Creating musical opportunities at Yale

(18:59) Graduating into the financial crisis

(20:50) Committing to music

(23:02) Building Great Caesar in New York

(26:02) WeWork and the hippie capitalist scene

(29:00) Joining San Fermin

(30:59) Leaving Great Caesar behind

(32:02) Making money between tours

(32:56) How necessity fuels ambition

(36:30) Sec ...