This week on Off Topic but On Point, we’re digging into the tension between staying grounded and staying open. Odette de Beer is joined by Dr. Janine Do Cabo and Pastor Christo Pretorius for a real, unscripted conversation about what it looks like to lead with conviction—and still hold things loosely.

We explore childhood lessons, business decisions, shifting beliefs, and the moments that challenge our mindset. From the truth behind “the rich rent” to parenting in today’s world, this one is full of honesty, humour, and hope.

If you're in a season of questioning, holding on, or letting go—this is your reminder that it’s not the end if it hasn’t ended well.

⏱ Episode Timestamps:

00:00 – Welcome: Why we go off topic (on purpose)

01:15 – Simon Sinek's quote that sparked it all:  ...